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on behalf of the children

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There are no better educated minds in regards the prevention and survival of sexual abuse than those who have both prevented and survived.

My Broken Society :: Australia - a matter of time and justice


The Australian Department of Justice and a Fair Bloody Go,

re: Seeking relevance of and information re current legislation in your department as well as either an explanation, apology or the right to meet for a one on one publicly televised debate with The Prime Minister of Australia as to why specifically the sexually abused children of all or any religion in Australia should be discriminated against simply on the basis of their religion through his placing their fate in the hands of the Catholic Church as he did on 17 July 2008.


Although this the balance of this communication may at times appear humorous it is however a genuine inquiry in regards a very serious matter which affects the daily lives of many thousands of Australians.

A genuinely responsible and appropriate response is sought.

The actual response will be evaluated as a part of a social evaluation and as a litmus test in the areas of justice and society together with responsibility and caring. Other aspects taken into account will be empathy, stupidity, parental concern, denial, there is no excuse for sexual abuse, greed, outrage - a full list is hoped to be published at a future date as the data comes in.

I am seeking information in regards the ability to pass on to future generations any settlement obtainable from the Catholic church in regards my sexual abuse claim to my descendants and I was wanting to find out how to write this into my Will.

My claim is in regards being sexually abused by the possible world record holder for the number of children sexually abused by an individual priest and possibly a record holder in that area in the general population as well - that number being estimated at around 2,000 children. This man was also an apparent record holder in the area of generating money for the church and this may well have been one of the reasons why he was permitted to carry out these practices for so long despite the church having extensive knowledge of the abuses committed by him and so many others.

My claim has been in process for some 5 or 6 years only and with the understanding that it was general knowledge around 400BC that the Earth was round and that the Catholic Church resisted and denied this knowledge for some 1500 to 2000 years and that several hundreds of thousands of individuals were murdered and almost the entire planet was blackmailed and bullied into denying these facts through actions of the Church in upholding that invalid opinion and position; as well understanding that it took the Church some 500 years to acknowledge that they were upholding a delusional opinion in this regard when dealing with Galileo Galilei when he attempted to show to the church that the Earth was indeed a sphere, I felt it was necessary to give this my consideration.

I understand that Mr Galilei did not personally receive an apology as I  have done, however he as I also find in my own circumstance the lack of acknowledgment of the Church's error in regards these general science facts and it occurred to me that due to the current processes of the church in regards my own claim it may well be possible for its investigations and eventual conclusion to take a longer period of time that in Mr Galilei's instance.

Currently my claim is pending another review based apparently on unsubstantiated statements forming a view that the word 'lived' can only apply to one location at a given time. With the church having to decide this current question and for it to then move on to the next I felt it would be reasonable to expect at the minimum a similar delay as in the case of the shape of the Earth in regards Mr Galilei's instance.

I felt it is more likely that this more complex question would naturally take some additional time for a conclusion to be reached in regards the ability to live at multiple locations during a given time period. I do understand that this is a more complex question than the shape of the Earth, however I felt that if it was to be considered reasonable that the Church processes can take 5 or 6 years to arrive at a point where it has only yet defined the question; it seems the Church appears to feel it needs to determine if this ability is indeed possible and with the knowledge that there are even more complex questions to follow once this general knowledge question is answered on the basis of reality. It would seem that a time frame of at least 1000 years may pass before a final decision is made in my own case.

Understanding that the average human has a life span of around 70 years or so I felt it appropriate to begin the task of determining which Government department would be able to answer my question in this regard so that I can pass on to my descendants what is rightfully theirs.

I do understand that some aspects of Government do consider the sexual abuse of children by clergy to be a matter to be resolved by the church itself, even if that opinion is held by the Prime Minister of the day I believe that time will return some sense to that foolish notion and it will be considered in time to be just like in Mr Galilei's instance an error of judgment and will be shown to be a crime of sexual abuse and not a religious matter and will subsequently permit the natural course of justice to prevail.

I do understand that the mere mention of sexual abuse, let alone the mention of clergy sexually abusing children does cause some adverse reactions and responses in those who have a limited understanding, distorted opinion or are subject to slips of the mind and even on occasion these can defy the laws of physics or nature when it is raised; this is even true in my own case where it has seemingly caused 2 of 3 policemen traveling in the same motor vehicle to have become involved in a miracle where at an intersection 2 went one way and the other went a different way. Even though this was not the only miracle performed on that day I did not want to get into thoughts or discussions as to whom was the driver at that time as I felt that would better serve humanity through becoming a useful topic for grade school students to ponder in their idle moments or at times of detention as a form of psychological punishment or torture or as another means of showing that the law is
always right no matter how wrong it is; it seems in this instance that the law may have taken its guidance from the Church rather than from common sense, the law or the oath they swore.

I do also understand that you may well have other pressing business to do and you may well wish to follow the example set by our Prime Minister and other politicians and religions through remaining tightly focused on the finances of the country in these troubling times, however when I considered this against the rights of the approximately 2.7 million fellow Australians who are directly affected by the sexual abuse issue and the thousands affected by the clergy sexual abuse issue I felt it was reasonable to make an appropriate judgment in favour of all those who have been abused, after all this is an issue worthy of a few minutes attention from our intrepid and all-knowledgeable leaders - don't get me wrong I do see all the good work they and others do - the Government and the Church have very very similar policies on this and on almost each occasion I write they respond in very similar ways by telling of all the good work that they do although there is never any direct response to the points raised. These foolish and retentive responses do not seem very knowledgeable or even vaguely co-ordinated but there must be many people beavering away to generate so much information about the disparate programs even though none of them appear to actually address the individual issues of clergy and sexual abuse, seemingly seeing the abuses perpetrated by clergy as one of religion. I have not yet found the legislation which sets that out even though it is essential knowledge if I am to properly pass what is rightfully theirs on to my descendants and would appreciate a reference to any legislation in place supporting this view.

It is good to see how united the church and government are on so many policies in regards this issue and the issue of sexual abuse as the numbers increase, their unified silence is bound to eventually achieve as little as is possible while keeping the good name of both Church and Government in place.

I did in my quest to obtain an earlier settlement at the outset make repeated requests to sit and discuss the matter from my perspective with initially the church and then with government. That has not been effective yet, even though I have spoken with many Bishops across the country and around the world, I have done the same with Attorney Generals and Premiers - many of them adhere very rigidly and in line with the church through not making any comment or by referring off to a different department or commission or pointing out some ineffective program or other. I did notice a difference however in the way they each managed their commissions with at most times the Government Commissions actually do investigate in most cases and some of them have found and detailed cases to such an appalling degree that they actually caused politicians to cry - even the Prime Minister says it is horrible, yet those communication avenues still remain elusive and are apparently far off somewhere in the distant future, perhaps around the same time as the uptake of the many recommendations are implemented. I am hopeful that this does not become a 'Galileo' issue for the Government as well as that simply would not be good enough for those Australians I know.

I did also want to find out for my descendants, my fellow victims and those other 2.7 million Australians who are affected, the families and loved ones of all of those people as well as the who knows how many other mums and dads who are absolutely terrified to let their kids out of sight and are left afraid and un-thought of on a daily basis as they take their children to school and wonder who next is going to try to sexually attack one of their children - not even that seems to be enough
to cause the Prime Minister or Premiers and Attorneys General to avert their gaze from wherever it is.

Now I know you are thinking to yourself: they are going to lock this bloke up, well I thought about that too and I figured John they have done that before when they took you to QLD Health where they drugged you with the most persistent and toxic brain and mind affecting poisons you had ever experienced and held you against your will for 3 months because you dared to speak out about it - I figured jail cant be all that bad after being treated in that way although I would prefer to be treated in the way Mr Galilei was treated. Then I thought about the possible 1999 other people who are sexually related to me through their having being abused by Kevin O'Donnell and I thought about the thousands of other people who had been sexually abused by clergy, and then I thought about all the people who have and are affected by sexual abuse and sexual assault and domestic violence and only a part of those were counted in that 2.7 million people affected as mentioned previously and I simply thought give me a break - thats not a fair go - thats crap and there is no sign of justice for any who get caught up in this while these circumstances remain.

I didn't mean to single anyone out because I know what it is like to be spat on by fellow catholics and Christians, I also know what it is like to be screamed at by would be protectors of the law standing for parliament and learned some interesting lessons from that, why should we have to put up with their blindness and issues when there is so much at
stake - our kids don't stand a chance if we cannot address this issue regardless of their individual personal agendas and issues.

It obvious that what has been done is much and it is very obvious on a daily basis that it simply is not working. There simply is no need to write a long list of the failures - we are all aware of them - 95+% the other day in the paper in regards successful legal actions for sexual abuse crimes - foolish things such as a 10 year old girl being asked to give the precise date of her abuse as was done recently in Toowoomba - reminded me of those times when the Church inquisitors wanted me to describe Kevin O'Donnell's penis as well as the date. I feel sure the little girl would have felt similar to those in the precincts of the Hiroshima bomb, I know I did and she like the millions of others of us take some time to come to terms with those events let alone what day it is or how to put that into day/month/year. I am unsure of when the basics of our calendar are taught to children or as to when the curriculum feels a child should be competent in the use of dates. The
more advanced concept of relating dates to events in one's life must surely come after that.

Government, church psychiatrists and others are yet to understand that when you mentally torture someone you don't cause disease, you actually cause psychological issues which amasingly psychology, good support and good counseling can over time repair the bulk of the damage caused - again here the church and state have and run similar policies and like psychiatrists they appear to see the conversation about the sexual abuse of children by clergy as something to treat you for rather than
attempting to gain an understanding of it. They may be like my own psychiatrist who seems to need to repeat the parts about he was sexually abused by a Catholic priest (decidedly odd behavior for a psychiatrist!).  I would like to let them know that you simply cannot treat, let alone heal something you do not or are unwilling for whatever reason able to understand, repeating it does not help as I am sure many of them understand themselves. Such a pedagogy is and will remain a poison in every vein of our entire social system while these absurdities and foolishnesses remain.

I did run some of this past legal opinions and found their responses very disparate and they eventually became a matter of opinion, opinions which I could vigorously defend, however I figured I didn't have any money left after all the shenanigans that went on and as I no longer have a home or a business to worry myself about and I have pretty well always wanted to not get into a fight but wasn't able to find any form of mediation or non-adversarial means through which to get this much needed conversation underway. I checked on restorative justice but that is still just a concept it seems at this time and any changes that might bring about would be stymied through the joint policies of State and church and may take another thousand years for that to come through such a slow moving system.

I felt it should make a difference if those other 1999 sexual relations of mine happened to, without their ever being asked get baptised as a catholic and then have the bad luck to be raped or sodomised by one of those out of control sexually abusive priests and because of that be denied the opportunity to move forward as each and every Australian is supposed to have a right to. This is to say nothing of their human rights and the rights of our children which we hear so much about. I
personally found no logical or legal reason for these discriminating and despicable actions save for the much defended Statute of Limitations laws which are able to defy reason and nature as well as Gods words.

I did try to take it up with the Governor General, particularly after that brilliant piece on TV recently about justice and human rights - I felt inspired by that in lots of ways by the Governor Generals words, it just seems a pity that protocol stands in the way of her department from intervening. It seems much of our press appears to have adopted similar policies as well although they appear to acknowledge the issue they simply state that they are terrified of the prolonged lawsuits they
would face if they printed the truth.

I read the website of the Australian Catholic Justice Council and when I read it I thought they understand, they are talking about me and my 1999 sexual relations, it seemed that these issues were part of the reason for their formation so I emailed and rang them and I chatted with the Administrator but the answers were not there and questions just seemed to very early on become too difficult or too hard and the lack of understanding ability to find a way through the fog was apparent by his
responses. No matter how hard I look at their latest publication I can only see where the church is expressing its outrage on just about every other aspect of life, reproduction and more and it is all based on human rights, equality, justice and God's words but they have not yet made any comment about the clergy sexual abuse issue other than in regards the Anglican Communion - I hope its not another one of those Galileo things for them and for the rest of us who inhabit this planet.

Yes I thought of those and I even thought about being guilty - I figured that at least when the system finds me guilty of something it surely could not be for is telling the truth about my experience - I figured that is a sound reason and it is also a good reason no matter how long it takes the legal and court systems. Perhaps Mr Galilei's counsel if he were alive today could offer some insights into how to progress matters a little more rapidly and realistically as this could be of assistance in my own and in many other outstanding cases.

If I don't get an immediate response from you I will understand that you have either taken some time to consider this, hopefully in a shorter time frame than that faced by Mr Galilei or you may hopefully have passed it on to others who may have a greater understanding or a desire to help their fellow men and women in this regard as well as a show of support for those who have genuine concerns for these issues and for all the children alive at the present moment as I feel that extended time frames such as those previously mentioned would be unacceptable to all concerned. Please forward any relevant references to the supplied email address.

 
with regards,

John A. Brown




On the sexual abuse, exploitation & deception of children

For those who have and for those who want to 'Hit the Wall'

There is no excuse for sexual abuse according to our law and government except when the abuse has been carried out by Catholic clergy.

"This is a matter for the church and I respect the internal judgements of the church. I don’t stand outside the church and provide them with public lectures in terms of how they should behave..."

Kevin Rudd, Prime Minister of Australia, 17 July 2008.

http://www.pm.gov.au/media/Interview/2008/interview_0363.cfm

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This is perhaps the most horrific act of abandonment perpetrated against the children of a specific religion by an Australian head of State and is recorded in our history for perpetuity as being made by Kevin Rudd on 17 July 2008, when he spoke in regards those affected by the sexual abuses carried out by Catholic clergy.http://www.pm.gov.au/media/Interview/2008/interview_0363.cfm

This is a deeply flawed and invalid response both morally and legally which includes all victims of clergy abuse being referred over to the leader of the Catholic Church or the respective leaders of other Churches or Religions when quite clearly sexual abuse by clergy is a phenomena found in many Churches and religions and it simply is not within the Prime Ministers realm to pass responsibility for those sexually abused by Catholic and non-Catholic clergy over to the Catholic church or anyone else.

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Is it any wonder our children are confused?

No wonder our children are confused - if we continually send confusing messages to our children then it is us who is acting irrationally when we demand the right to sanction them for acting in the same way we do, or in the same way our Government services do.

No amount of resources, education, laws, treatments or levels of incarceration and sanctions can educate a child to function both successfully and rationally in a society when the very society which is demanding that is unable itself to function at the levels demanded. There is no rational response to such an irrational situation.

Is it any wonder so many are confused?

Government and our religions are unable to provide and implement successful strategies in regards sexual abuses by clergy and other in the community.

Government and our religions repeatedly and stubbornly refuse to consult with the victims of these abuses by clergy and others in the community and their carers and advocates.

Is it any wonder so many are abused and re-abused?

How can they expect our children to act in a more adult and responsible manner, a manner which is above the examples set by our Governments and religious.

How irrational and foolish are we when we use sanctions against those who are unable to perform on demand at a higher level than those applying the sanctions.

Is it any wonder our children think we are foolhardy and stupid?

Of course we can always sanction our children severely for saying that we got it wrong. We can also sanction them for getting it wrong themselves in a confused world. Their need to survive and remain accepted as children will simply cause them to cede to those sanctions. This simply shows that if you beat a child hard enough and demand that he agree with you they must if they simply want to be loved by their parents and elders. If they want to ever experience the love of those who sanction they simply have no choice but to cede and conform to the power held over them - this use of power proves nothing other than acknowledging the fact that you can force someone into submission. It in no way proves your are on the right track.

Quite simply if these men genuinely had the ear of God as they say, it simply would not have taken 500 years as in the case of Mr Galilei and the shape of the earth, nor would it take very long to resolve the sexual abuse issue if they simply had 10 seconds with God.

It is clear that they simply do not have that line to Jesus Christ because quite simply if they did they would act differently.

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